Emory College Epidemiologist On The Future Of COVID-19 : NPR

NPR’s Lulu Garcia-Navarro speaks with epidemiologist Carlos del Rio of Emory College concerning the pandemic and its future.


This week, in some unspecified time in the future, we’ll attain a grim new milestone – 200,000 People lifeless from COVID-19. And but alarm concerning the illness appears to be diminishing amongst some. A brand new ballot in Wisconsin by the Marquette Legislation College finds 38% of respondents say they don’t seem to be very nervous or not nervous in any respect by the virus – this as journalist Bob Woodward launched tapes of President Trump revealing that the president purposefully downplayed the coronavirus in public whereas early on privately acknowledging how deadly it’s.


PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: It is also extra lethal than your – , your – even your strenuous flus. That is lethal stuff.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: Extra on the political fallout from these feedback in a second. We start this hour with our subsequent visitor, who says there could also be causes for hope. Carlos del Rio is an epidemiologist with Emory College in Atlanta, and he joins us now.

CARLOS DEL RIO: Pleased to be with you, Lulu.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: You might be cautiously optimistic. Why?

DEL RIO: Properly, I feel we’re starting to see in lots of components of the nation, together with right here in Georgia, a lower within the variety of instances. On a nationwide stage, we have seen over the past two weeks a 13- to 15% lower in variety of instances. We’re seeing, additionally, some locations the place the instances are rising. I fear largely proper now about North and South Dakota. However basically, we see within the U.S., , 10 states the place the instances had been excessive and at the moment are coming down. And that is good to see.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: Testing, although, has additionally gone down. Might that not be a product of the truth that testing has slowed down as a substitute of precise an infection charges taking place?

DEL RIO: It definitely might. However I do not assume testing has gone down as a lot as instances have. And on the finish of the day, we’re seeing different indicators coming down – most significantly, the variety of individuals hospitalized. And I actually assume who will get within the hospital and what occurs to hospitalizations – it is an excellent indicator of actually the severity of illness.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: Now we have seen the variety of deaths slowing. However that has occurred in different nations, solely to see the numbers surge once more. Is {that a} concern?

DEL RIO: Properly, it’s extremely attention-grabbing as a result of the lower within the deaths has not been as important as far as a lower in instances that we have seen on this nation. You are seeing near a thousand deaths per day on this nation, and that hasn’t modified a lot. And I feel a part of it’s that we’re not having one epidemic, proper? We’re having a number of epidemics. So for instance, within the Northeast, deaths have actually plummeted. However right here within the South, they nearly are staying steady, and another locations are literally going up.

The opposite factor that we have seen, Lulu, is a rise in instances amongst younger individuals, and numerous it’s associated to school cities. And because of that – , younger individuals get contaminated, however they do not get as sick, and subsequently they do not die. So a part of the problem is that the epidemiology that we have now at this time may be very totally different than the epidemiology we had again in March or April.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: Bearing all that in thoughts, we’re nonetheless closing in on 200,000 deaths on this nation. The USA has been the epicenter globally of this pandemic. What has been the most important failure to date, in your view?

DEL RIO: You already know, I feel we have had a failure of management. And the administration primarily gave it to the states and stated, let’s every state do its personal technique. This lack of coordination, lack of a nationwide technique, has actually damage us as a result of you might have states making very totally different suggestions.

And the White Home coronavirus job pressure, truthfully, after they put the suggestions of how you can open, they had been very clear on what wanted to be achieved. There have been very clear metrics that you just needed to comply with to open. And plenty of states simply primarily selected to disregard these suggestions. So we actually haven’t had a nationwide technique, and we’re paying the implications of that.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: I might prefer to ask you the place you see the science proper now. Have we gotten higher at treating COVID-19? What have we discovered?

DEL RIO: One factor that has been significantly profitable, I might say, is the scientific response. And once more, I am biased as a result of I’m one of many scientists. However I might inform you the way in which internationally there’s been coordination and scientific response, the way in which pharmaceutical corporations have labored collectively in unprecedented methods – it is actually one thing that I feel we must be all happy with.

You already know, take into consideration – we went from describing a brand new virus and posting the genetic sequence of a brand new virus to having a vaccine delivered right into a human in 62 days. That’s completely superb. By no means, ever earlier than had one thing like that occurred. You already know, we have now main vaccines. There are three or 4 vaccines now in part three trials, so that they’re within the trials for efficacy.

We’re actually shifting at unimaginable pace, and that could be a results of management. And I feel, , Operation Warp Pace and lots of different issues which were achieved have truly been examples of what must occur after we take into consideration different ailments like most cancers, for instance.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: And but, one of many nice tragedies and scandals of this pandemic is how it’s disproportionately impacting communities of colour. Do you see any enchancment there?

DEL RIO: You already know, sadly, I do not. And I feel that the disparities that we’re seeing on this pandemic will not be new. Now we have had huge well being care disparities on this nation that we have now not addressed. And my hope is that because of this pandemic, we’re going to start to take a look at what we have to do to enhance the racial and ethnic disparities which were so – simply unacceptable on this pandemic.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: So, Dr. Del Rio, how do you see this pandemic ending and when?

DEL RIO: Properly, to begin with, I wish to make it very clear {that a} vaccine goes to be necessary, however it’s not going to be the endgame. Persons are speaking about having a vaccine that has an efficacy of 50%. So meaning, , you give it to 100 individuals – half of them are protected. Half of them will not be protected. And that is in the very best of circumstances.

So we have to proceed incorporating the non-pharmacological measures of masking and social distancing and hand-washing along with a vaccine. We’ll finally get to sufficient individuals contaminated and sufficient individuals vaccinated that then you’ll get to herd immunity. However that is not going to occur, in my thoughts, earlier than, , a 12 months, 12 months and a half from now. So my purpose is by Christmas of 2021, we might be on our approach out.

GARCIA-NAVARRO: Epidemiologist Carlos del Rio of Emory College.

Thanks very a lot.

DEL RIO: Pleased to be with you.

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